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[Mike]

AUSTV Pres is a website dedicated to Free-To-Air Television Presentation in Australia. At AUSTVPres you can view captures & videos of current and previous Free-to-Air Television Presentation. We will be launching soon and I will post for Staff soon.

EDIT: I hope I get better Response here, than I got on MediaSPY

[cartman]

Mike, on Jan 30 2008, 08:06 PM, said:

EDIT: I hope I get better Response here, than I got on MediaSPY

Why, what response did you get over there? (I would go and look, but I'm lazy)

[Mike]

I was accused of copying another member`s site.

See the Discussion Here

http://www.mediaspy....showtopic=14093

[TimC]

Mike, on Jan 30 2008, 06:06 PM, said:

I hope I get better Response here, than I got on MediaSPY

Don't get your hopes up.

[cartman]

Mike, on Jan 30 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

I was accused of copying another member`s site.

Gosh, all that carry on just over a website. Seems rather silly to me.

[Mediawatch]

no offense "Mike", but there are some similarities to the sites, asking people to set up your website design (when you don't have a clue about XHTML, CSS etc) when the whole process seems rushed doesn't go down too well with people

[Tim]

Perhaps instead of coming here and complaining, you should consider what people there had to say.

They're not just being horrible, they're offering constructive advice.

[ATNI]

Tim, on Jan 30 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

Perhaps instead of coming here and complaining, you should consider what people there had to say.

They're not just being horrible, they're offering constructive advice.

Which I have taken onbaord from the feedback Tim gave me on my website and have started learning the basics of XHTML/CSS. It's all part of the learning process (getting bad feedback).

[trisreed]

You'll find learning XHTML and CSS quite useful when designing your site - by being able to not use (or improve on the code from) WYSIWYG editors, you can get a much better looking site.

[cartman]

trisreed, on Jan 30 2008, 11:39 PM, said:

You'll find learning XHTML and CSS quite useful when designing your site - by being able to not use (or improve on the code from) WYSIWYG editors, you can get a much better looking site.

WYFSIWYFG editors are only good for time saving really. It's much better tweaking markup by hand to get the desired results.

[Kevin]

cartman, on Jan 30 2008, 10:54 PM, said:

WYFSIWYFG editors are only good for time saving really. It's much better tweaking markup by hand to get the desired results.

Exactly right. Nothing beats doing the code yourself, and I am yet to come across any of those WYSIWYG editors that creates code that passes the W3C HTML/XHTML/XML validator. Those editors insert so much unnecessary code and use far too much non-standard and non-compliant HTML and CSS. Even Dreamweaver is bad for that, and it's one supposed to be one of the top WYSIWYG editors available.

I find it amazing that any professional web designer uses anything but a text editor to code HTML. Only amateurs should be using WYSIWYG editors because they don't know any better.

[Tim]

Dreamweaver is good because it finishes off all the tags and things for you..it saves more time than I care to imagine. When I use notepad/TextEdit to do stuff it messes me up because I'm always hitting enter for some sort of non-existent autocomplete thing.

It also has a checker built-in but I find it a lot less reliable than the Firefox extension I use/W3C validator.

[cartman]

Kevin, on Feb 1 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

Exactly right. Nothing beats doing the code yourself, and I am yet to come across any of those WYSIWYG editors that creates code that passes the W3C HTML/XHTML/XML validator. Those editors insert so much unnecessary code and use far too much non-standard and non-compliant HTML and CSS. Even Dreamweaver is bad for that, and it's one supposed to be one of the top WYSIWYG editors available.

I never have those problems with Dreamweaver. Anything that I do always validates and Dreamweaver has a good compatibility function that checks HTML, CSS, etc, against what all the different browsers will and won't support.

Kevin, on Feb 1 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

I find it amazing that any professional web designer uses anything but a text editor to code HTML. Only amateurs should be using WYSIWYG editors because they don't know any better.

I use Dreamweaver as my tool of choice for web authoring. Although I am a strong believer in knowing how to hand code and only look at applications such as Dreamweaver as a time saver. I don't rely on them to do things for me that I don't already know how to do.

Any professional web developer would be mad to hand code. Why type all that markup when you don't have to? As long as they know how to modify code by hand when the WYSIWYG editor doesn't achieve the desired result then it's all good.

[Tim]

The Preview thing is also a good way of seeing how things will look if something goes horribly, horribly wrong.

Edited by Tim, 02 February 2008 - 11:58 AM.

[Smacca]

Mike, I hope you're prepared to spend shit loads of time on it. After 3 years I still haven't got WAtelevision fully launched. It's such a time consuming hobby. I hope you succeed and if you like I can help contribute, but just be prepared for things to take days to complete.

[Tim]

I can't count how many times I've started creating a website like that and got sick of it after a few pages..I came very, very close at one stage but came to the conclusion that I had neither the time nor the energy to tame such a beast

[Mike]

Smacca, on Feb 2 2008, 05:37 PM, said:

Mike, I hope you're prepared to spend shit loads of time on it. After 3 years I still haven't got WAtelevision fully launched. It's such a time consuming hobby. I hope you succeed and if you like I can help contribute, but just be prepared for things to take days to complete.

Thanks Mate.That will be a great Help

[Smacca]

Tim, on Feb 2 2008, 08:03 PM, said:

I can't count how many times I've started creating a website like that and got sick of it after a few pages..I came very, very close at one stage but came to the conclusion that I had neither the time nor the energy to tame such a beast

Hehe, it's so easy to think up a design and layout of a new site. The minute DW is open it all just seems too much of an effort.

Mike, on Feb 2 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

Thanks Mate.That will be a great Help

No problems.

[Tim]

Smacca, on Feb 2 2008, 10:19 PM, said:

Hehe, it's so easy to think up a design and layout of a new site. The minute DW is open it all just seems too much of an effort.

It's not so much that it's hard, but that it's not as easy as you remembered last time. Especially when it seems you're doing the exact same thing again.